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Chris86NA2T: (2008-02-22 06:00:56)
when this forum first started every single post was informative. a lot of things have changed.
1. a lot of people with very limited experience come here and make generic and vague posts about either making a 300hp NA, an 800hp turbo, or putting some ridiculous engine in their car. .. incidentally, most of these people tend to be on the budget of a high school student working at mcdonalds. now everyone has to start somewhere, but this is not the place.. i suggest that a simple message be created that moderators can forward to these people after they delete their posts. the message should explain, in the most polite way possible, that their question does not lead to any intelligent discussion, it only leads to a bunch of people explaining that the poster is not capable of such a project and that they will never accomplish it. the message should also point out that the use of the search feature is required, and failure to do so in the future will result in account deletion.
2. a lot of members (including some long term members) here like to post nonsense in response to various topics. for example, someone might post decent information about a project.. then 10 people will reply with "cool!" or "nice work!" this is pointless and again, does not lead to intelligent discussion. i think these posts should be deleted and the posters warned about pointless posts. i dont know why some people feel the need to hear themselves speak.
im just expressing my opinions here, and im sure no significant changes will be made, but if you feel the way i do then please comment.
baulkin: (2008-02-22 06:11:24)
You live in america, you should be used to "not-so-smart" ppl chiming in when its not "necessary" but how long do you think a forum of any kind will last without some kind of friendship/normal human interaction ? My point is it wouldn't. Some things ppl do, you will just have to "deal with". So in your line of thinking we shouldnt have posts like "yea we all date hot chicks....... z31 guys rule..... TRUE??" or "member "CraZed" is missing, please read" i think those are great and in the case of CraZed kinda needed, dont you ?????
MrwassmanNA2T: (2008-02-22 06:56:04)
For some reason, I don't see that happening.
jn1cz: (2008-02-22 07:28:51)
If you want a true elite board then you may just have to build one and make membership by invitation only.
Chris86NA2T: (2008-02-22 15:10:43)
what are you talking about? who said anything about eleminating "friendship/normal human relationships"? did i suggest that we get rid of the social lounge forum? did you even read my post? how will deleting useless posts affect the social relations?
zmech: (2008-02-22 17:35:37)
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1986zxt: (2008-02-22 18:34:51)
I tend to agree with the initial post. I rarely post as my car budget limits my ability to get to the point where most of you guys are. This site seems to be narrowed down to the more serious Z31 afficianado. Any chiming in by me would most likely be useless banter as I don't have the experience but this is great for lurking, studying, researching. It keeps the dream alive. Great site.
Evil Z31: (2008-02-22 19:11:07)
I think you guys are just ranting about VERY typical behavior that goes on in every forum. The only solution to it without getting certain groups upset, is to moderate, and if you can't keep up, get more moderators. Your getting upset that newb talk is interfering with the "adult" conversations. So move the posts.
I'm also going to have to disagree with the "useless" posts. "Way to go!" and "Awesome!", may seem like useless posts to you, but to the original poster, that is a sign of ENCOURAGEMENT from the community. How would you like to make a post about doing something unique and not have anyone post in it. It may come off as "no one cares".
Not everything in this world has to be so serious and tight leashed.
Hey you guys!!!!!...................[archived image: e5cyippee.gif] :nanan?re :foufou :P
BTW, can anyone tell me what turbo I can put in my zee for 1423 horspowa?
MachZ: (2008-02-22 19:39:27)
My thoughts exactly. +1[archived image: smile.png]
baulkin: (2008-02-22 19:50:56)
thats exactly what i was trying to say.
floridaZ: (2008-02-22 20:42:48)
Doubtful that that will ever happen. I doubt that pretty much anything you can do will help here without strangling the freedom of the board. There are some times that it is good to be able to post freely.
Suppose that you are in the midst of a project, and you need to know something fast. In my opinion, that would be okay to post up a question that has been answered before, if it is hard to find the answer in a time-effective way through searching.
Are there alternatives? There is stuff someone could do to reduce clutter. Take my previous example, the poster could request PMs and once the answer is given, delete the thread. But the problem with that is that people have to want to do this. And it makes more work for the mods.
And I doubt that there is anything you could do to eliminate it entirely. Because some people do not have the time… or motivation… to search too far.
How about a locked sticky at the top of each section, with like… a table of contents, I guess… of the best thread on each topic. The mods could edit in the URLs and title it, and alphabetize it, so a searcher could go directly to the best, most informative thread in existance. Then if they must post, it would be in the same thread at least. We hope. And at that point, it would be easy to govern what goes on (warn them if the question in the post has already been answered in-thread). But that could mean more work for the mods. Unless somebody volunteers to compile the list and post it up for stickydom?
At the very least, even if no newbies are willing to even look at the thread, it would become the encyclopedia of information for senior members.
Chris86NA2T: (2008-02-22 21:19:53)
glad to see that there are varied opinions.. for those of you who think that the garbage cant be eliminated, try frequenting hybridz.org. or some of the ecu tuning forums. almost every post is informative.
Zmech, this post is about a forum related issue. it is posted in the "site and forum-related" category. its not like im asking which way a clutch disk goes on, or requesting torque specs to the pressure plate and flywheel in a performance forum titled "driveline"
1986zxt, im the same way as you in some other forums i visit. i search, i read and i study. if i cant find my answer i spend some time and i put together a well thought out post that will lead to an intelligent discussion. this is especially true in the ecu tuning forums on other web sites. i consider myself a novice and i dont attempt to answer questions unless i am sure i have a piece of information worth sharing. i wish more pople felt like you. it would make it much easier on all of us who constantly sift through garbage to find the information we need.
Evil Z31, this type of behavior does not go on on every forum. it occurs in honda forums. my friends honda forum even has a "bullshit" forum where people go to type giberish in order to increase their post count. as far as my complaint regarding useless posts… if i post information on a project i completed or something i am working on, my intention is not to get patted on the back by some internet forum people. my intention is to share the progress i made and look for input from others. basically i am opening a conversation.. now im not suggesting that praise for good work should not be allowed, im suggesting that someone who replies to a post with "wow" or "nice job" is not contributing anything. all it does is make the post longer and difficult to read. many times i find an interesting post that has sparked an interesting conversation between two people. the only problem is, between their replies are countless single work posts. i come here to learn about how to make my car better and to share what ive learned with others.
NIVO: (2008-02-22 22:40:16)
Being an admin with a forum that has 50k+ members I know the hard work it goes into cleaning up forums etc.. it's no easy task, the next day you have to do it again.
Unfortunately this is the way it works on a forum..
The buy/sell sections are the worst
jn1cz: (2008-02-23 02:36:33)
Oh crap…I'm dense…the "search factor"…I agree that all the wasted space impacts the search feature. Must be a way to address that.
BTW Beck, I'm in Houston and I'd be happy to have dinner with y'all sometime 8)
inqui-Z-tor: (2008-02-24 04:45:13)
Interesting subject ..
Note the title of the thread .. This forum (z31performance is the name of the forum) ..
While I am not offended .. I am amused that there appears to be a "purist" or "better than others" attitude being promoted that z31performance is strictly or should strictly be for "performance related subjects"
Rather than argue .. I'll support that premise and curtail my participation here at z31performance.com
99% of my threads or posts ARE NOT "performance" related ..
I have already requested (to Jason) that all my "non-performance" threads be deleted. I have started deleting my "non-performance" posts …
FYI .. I am not going away, just taking a background position. I'll only post when I have a performance related input.
As for information that I would normally share (but is of no interest to the "performance purist"), you'll have to frequent the other z31 forums to get that information ..
- nanan?re
Z31Performance Mission Statement:
Everyone should have input on this statement. Please reply here with additions or suggestions! We want it to encompass all of the ideals the forum is built for. A forum represents a community of people with common interests, and the mission statement should encompass all of the ideals the members believe in. ''
Working draft:
"The purpose of Z31Performance is to exist as a solitary haven for true Z31 performance enthusiasts. This community is dedicated to keeping itself constituted of helpful, friendly, knowledgeable, trustworthy and honest people with both knowledge about and a passion for the Z31 300ZX in all respects. This Z31Performance forum exists as a solitary pillar; it is the gathering place of this community. A humble non-profit administration exists for the express purpose of regulating that gathering place, but not to enforce their individual will upon the community as a whole."
- nanan?re
FlawleZ: (2008-02-24 06:11:36)
You're either very inexperienced, or very naive to make a claim like that. n00b posts and replies and general off topic banter and chat are a fact of life.
sweets: (2008-02-24 20:02:41)
[quote]FlawleZ wrote:
Evil Z31, this type of behavior does not go on on every forum. it occurs in honda forums. my friends honda forum even has a "bullshit" forum where people go to type giberish in order to increase their post count. as far as my complaint regarding useless posts… if i post information on a project i completed or something i am working on, my intention is not to get patted on the back by some internet forum people. my intention is to share the progress i made and look for input from others. basically i am opening a conversation.. now im not suggesting that praise for good work should not be allowed, im suggesting that someone who replies to a post with "wow" or "nice job" is not contributing anything. all it does is make the post longer and difficult to read. many times i find an interesting post that has sparked an interesting conversation between two people. the only problem is, between their replies are countless single work posts. i come here to learn about how to make my car better and to share what ive learned with others.
You're either very inexperienced, or very naive to make a claim like that. n00b posts and replies and general off topic banter and chat are a fact of life.
and part every forum in the internet
ShamWow: (2008-02-24 23:34:23)
One way that I feel the forum needs to be cleaned up, is in post moving. There are so many posts that I see in the Performance forums which actually belong in the Basic or Repair forums. From what I remember, this used to be moderated much tighter a few years back when the forum started.
It's very frustrating to me.
SteveZ: (2008-02-25 10:03:01)
Mike and Chris I agree with your posts The performance forums especially need to be more heavily moderated, every now and then I go on a delete & move rampage but I dont have the time to keep up with all the shit posted in there anymore.
OK85ZX: (2008-02-25 10:16:20)
agreed, the performance section should be moderated more nazi like, and troll posts should be deleted without warning… basic modification should be used alot more than it is.
ShamWow: (2008-02-25 23:26:26)
This is kind of minor, but at long as we are talking…
I was thinking it might help if the basic section was re-titled. Just have it say Basic modifications/Basic questions. I think having that shit about it being the noob section in there means that people don't want to post there. Because they don't want to be labeled as noobs. Even the most experienced Z31'ers sometimes have basic questions. But no-one wants to look like a noob…
Maybe thats just me…
MrwassmanNA2T: (2008-02-26 06:58:03)
I have posted a lot of garbage, but there has been much intent to change. Especially once I found the "mark topics read" button.
The support comments seem needed, it depends on what category it is under.
At least there are only a few people who don't like me on the forum unlike other users.
Domdogg123: (2008-03-25 20:44:15)
A lot of the threads in the 'performance' section of the forum are starting to get me really irritated. I don't know if it's just me, or that I'm really tired, but it looks like a good chunk of them could be shuffled into the newbie section.
FlawleZ: (2008-03-25 21:07:57)
You mean wheel spacing and fitment isn't a technical/performance question? :lol:
88sinZ: (2008-04-05 01:55:32)
cool!
88sinZ: (2008-04-05 01:56:08)
good work!
88sinZ: (2008-04-05 01:56:32)
butt secks?
deal with it, ignore the thread
SATAN: (2008-04-06 14:52:31)
Ok, I am going in a cleaning shit up. I am doing it, to what I think it should be. I dont want to hear anyone in this thread bitch if their shit gets moved and they dont think it should have. Sucks to be you then. I started in the Engine Mech section. I will move to other sections.
Now that you have bitched about it, you NEED to frequent the basic info section. As there will be a lot more traffic in there now since I am moving a LOT of shit there now! People still need basic help. Please help them.
300zxt: (2008-05-20 06:43:03)
There is a REALLY simply solution to this that doesn't require an elitist "fuck all noobs" attitude that is often displayed.
Simply make it a requirement that in order to post in such sections a user needs "X" amount of posts, this should get rid of well over half the random new user question threads in the wrong section that seem to bother everyone so much. As for the other non "performance" related threads, having the descriptions of each forum more descriptive would help like "ADVANCED QUESTIONS ONLY" etc just a thought anyway. People dont read announcements…
OK85ZX: (2008-05-20 08:17:31)
And encourage post whoring like… "cool" "awesome" "rofl yea".... yea, anything that has to do with giving praise for post count, whether it just be other members judgement or actual forum access is an aweful idea and should never be implemented anywhere. I think the showing of postcount itself creates atleast 1/4 of the lame posts on forums.
300zxt: (2008-05-20 11:56:19)
You'd hope peoples maturity level would be above simply making one word posts to rack up their post count to be able to post in restricted sections. It would be clearly obvious if that's what they were doing anyway. If that bothers people so much aswell you can fix it by simply setting a higher minimum character count per post.
Or what about you have to scan your passport to be able to post? Wait, I know! You have to sit an exam in order to be deemed worthy to post! Shit why not just disable posting all together? Just have stickies everywhere written by senior members and that's it! Solved! :P Oh wait a minute, it's a FORUM! lol :lol:
ShamWow: (2008-05-20 16:26:06)
If people had that maturity level, this thread would not exist. I doubt the maturity level of the people on this forum will ever be enough to stop post whoring.
Lets all face it. An open forum like ours will always have new people joining, posting in the wrong sections, and asking dumb questions.
It's up to the moderators to move/delete the posts, and for the more experienced members to kindly direct the new members to the proper links or information. A new member who doesn't catch on right away may deserve some sort of talking to (usually by a "Z-bum type", or via mod PM).
s2k12: (2008-05-20 16:59:59)
This forum has hardly any shit posts in comparison to most forums on the internet in my opinion..
300zxt: (2008-05-20 21:28:38)
[quote]Mike_GruiZinga wrote:
You'd hope peoples maturity level would be above simply making one word posts to rack up their post count to be able to post in restricted sections. It would be clearly obvious if that's what they were doing anyway.
If people had that maturity level, this thread would not exist. I doubt the maturity level of the people on this forum will ever be enough to stop post whoring.
Lets all face it. An open forum like ours will always have new people joining, posting in the wrong sections, and asking dumb questions.
It's up to the moderators to move/delete the posts, and for the more experienced members to kindly direct the new members to the proper links or information. A new member who doesn't catch on right away may deserve some sort of talking to (usually by a "Z-bum type", or via mod PM).
Moderators can simply complain or they can moderate, choose! lol Cant do it or dont like it? Then step aside and turn in your moderator pass! :P lol
Granted some people are dickheads and just trouble makers and should be stabbed, but some "newbies" who make "dumb" posts could simply be some guy in his 50s who just bought a sports car for his sons 21st birthday and doesn't use the internet much or a kid who just turned 18 and genuinely doesn't know much about cars and just wants help. Not everyone is going to be deliberately posting in the wrong section just to piss people off.
A simple "Advanced questions only" in the Engine Mechanical description would help some, and limiting new users access to that section. Whos to say what's newbie and what isn't? SATAN? lol The Engine Mechanical section doesn't say anything of the likes, say I am a noob and I want a new exhaust. So I post in the Engine Mechanical section because it has "EXHAUST" written in the description. So what, I'm being blasted now for being a newbie and posting in the seemingly appropriate section? There are huge holes in the way this is being moderated currently that I think has been overlooked due to the blinding rage newbies give some people. The shit isn't clear, and this is coming from someone who has been on here forever so what about a brand new user? It might be obvious to some where shit belongs, but it really isnt if you look at it properly.
It's very subjective what is considered newbie or not, shit alot of people are engineers and some damn complicated stuff would be considered "newbie" to them. A little more thought needs to be put into this to be honest, instead of blindly moving posts and being like "haha you're retarded and not as smart as you think you are, your post just got moved the to newbie section dickhead" as that will not work.
Prevention is better than a cure after all…
OK85ZX: (2008-05-20 22:00:15)
Elitism is not the way. People are here to learn. Moderators are there for the problems, and the way it is right now is just fine.
inqui-Z-tor: (2008-06-02 19:30:22)
This "forum" is titled: Z31Performance.com
This thread is entitled: "This forum needs to be cleaned up"
This thread was posted under: Announcements: Site and Forum-related.
Clearly an indication to me that it (the subject) deals with Z31Performance.com as a "whole" versus the "Z31 Performance Forums" (sub-forum categories)
Because of this (performance vs. everything else attitude) I've curtailed my posting (not that it has been missed LOL). I would have stopped completely but I have an agreement with Jimmy/Ztek to provide information about his Group Buys to all z31 forums. (Next group buy is pending)
I'm going to let the decision regarding my posts (of GB's, etc .. ) be via the moderators (or Jason). If the information/comment I post up is OK, then cool. If it's not OK, that's cool with me too.
You all know as well as I do, there are perhaps 3 - note worthy z31 forums. No dis-respect to Jason, the moderators nor the performance purists ..
- -D :-D :-D
jn1cz: (2008-06-04 01:36:15)
Oh yeah…what are the other two :twisted:
I can only speak for my self. I hope you don't stop posting here and I'm sorry that you felt you needed to limit your posts. The way I understand it is that some posts make the search function yield a lot of unhelpful results. Speaking from personal experience I've found that to be true. But then the www is the same way.
Stick around.