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slammedcoupe: (2014-06-26 15:00:50)
Looking for pics of 17x10 +20 on the Chuki or Kouki model.
or 17x10+20 front 18x10.5 +20 stagger setup?
any issues running this on stock body? (I own a fender roller aswell)
what size spacers are you running (if you are)
thanks!
Axel kain: (2014-06-26 16:21:58)
10.5 rear is no problem. strut to fender clearance is where you run into issues. 9" fits nicely, but 10 might be interesting…
slammedcoupe: (2014-06-26 16:39:21)
I have no issues with spacers. but do you think this will be fairly flush without spacers?
jesus94p: (2014-06-26 18:50:48)
17x10 +20 is impossible without a spacer up front. I run 1.5" spacers and its flush
G-E: (2014-06-26 19:27:35)
My s13 coilover adapters that move the strut inboard could help here, would let you tuck a bit, and give you more backspace at the same time
slammedcoupe: (2014-06-26 21:44:57)
17x10 +20 is impossible without a spacer up front. I run 1.5" spacers and its flush
what tire size are you running?
My s13 coilover adapters that move the strut inboard could help here, would let you tuck a bit, and give you more backspace at the same time
if I scrap the short stroke conversion, I am probably just gonna grab a set of stance and be done with it! I don't mind spacers I may just go for a different set of wheels,
jesus94p: (2014-06-27 01:25:09)
235/40
G-E: (2014-06-27 01:34:11)
if I scrap the short stroke conversion, I am probably just gonna grab a set of stance and be done with it! I don't mind spacers I may just go for a different set of wheels,
You will have LESS room using the stance coilovers if you go that route, they are beefy, so you'd actually make it harder for yourself heh
jesus94p: (2014-06-27 01:50:29)
^You try to sell those things off to everyone that comes around and I don't see anyone buying them lol. good luck
G-E: (2014-06-27 02:05:45)
When someone says "don't worry I'll just do this instead" which makes life harder, it's not about my products anymore is it?
Although I do mention my products, the reason is to accomplish a goal, if anything I make can help, I'd like to help… [archived image: smile.png]
Rustspecs13: (2014-06-27 03:12:30)
blue stance 2.jpg
blue stance.jpg
blue stance 3.jpg
Fronts are 17x10 +18 with a 25mm spacer, 245/45/17 tire. Rear is 18x10.5 +15 no spacer. 245/45/18 tire in the front yard picture and 275/35/18 in the driveway picture. Also in the driveway picture I have my heim joint rear control arms, so they have only 1.5-2deg of camber changing the wheel fitment and the wider tires. Verses the 3.5-4 it had in the other picture. Fenders are rolled. Rears only needed to be lightly rolled with stock control arms, and fronts needed to be heavily rolled (its flat now) but I also have more steering angle and soft springs.
~Alex
G-E: (2014-06-27 03:43:00)
245/45 is a good size
jesus94p: (2014-06-27 12:23:27)
I see you don't like stretched tires lulz. And i was never talking about my rear setup, only the front, which is flush.
slammedcoupe: (2014-06-27 14:30:47)
You will have LESS room using the stance coilovers if you go that route, they are beefy, so you'd actually make it harder for yourself heh
thanks for the offer. but im pretty dead set on my thoughts when it comes to the suspension setup.
slammedcoupe: (2014-06-27 14:34:16)
Fronts are 17x10 +18 with a 25mm spacer, 245/45/17 tire. Rear is 18x10.5 +15 no spacer. 245/45/18 tire in the front yard picture and 275/35/18 in the driveway picture. Also in the driveway picture I have my heim joint rear control arms, so they have only 1.5-2deg of camber changing the wheel fitment and the wider tires. Verses the 3.5-4 it had in the other picture. Fenders are rolled. Rears only needed to be lightly rolled with stock control arms, and fronts needed to be heavily rolled (its flat now) but I also have more steering angle and soft springs.
~Alex
awesome thanks man!
front looks just about spot on, I want to run 255/40r17 fronts and something larger out back depending on wheel size.
I should add I will be running heim joint f+r control arms when I get around to building them and possibly some steering mods!
slammedcoupe: (2014-06-27 14:36:11)
When someone says "don't worry I'll just do this instead" which makes life harder, it's not about my products anymore is it?
Although I do mention my products, the reason is to accomplish a goal, if anything I make can help, I'd like to help… [archived image: smile.png]
this argument is void when it comes to using spacers/different wheels! your product looks great. just not for me! [archived image: smile.png]
no hard feelings!
adamvann3: (2014-06-27 16:08:16)
18x9.5-25 in the front
18x11+6 min the rear
No issues, and my front have all sorts of clearance to the coilover body+spring
I also have a 1" pulled front fenders [archived image: smile.png]
After years of messing with various setups, settings and sizes here is the sweet spot
17x9 (zero offset) with 235/40
17x9.5/10 with 255/40, im not going to recommend an offset because that is largely dependent on what modifications you have
The key is the front. On a lowered car this gives you a realistic alignment and with rolled fenders not problem beating the car with out rubbing. Anything wider you are making modifications and probably run into rubbing of some sort you will have. Unless your turning out big numbers or going pro racecourse you are not going to need any more tire than that. Nitto NT05s 235/40 provided me all sorts of grip. Ive driven with wider tires in the front and just made the steering feel heavy and was more annoying then benefits provided.
frostvectron: (2014-06-27 16:13:47)
Sort of related: how much space does doing ZG flares net you, like Butter's car? It's out of my budget, but I like to dream of running 315 wide hoosiers some day on 17x11.
slammedcoupe: (2014-06-27 19:40:23)
18x9.5-25 in the front
18x11+6 min the rear
No issues, and my front have all sorts of clearance to the coilover body+spring
I also have a 1" pulled front fenders [archived image: smile.png]
After years of messing with various setups, settings and sizes here is the sweet spot
17x9 (zero offset) with 235/40
17x9.5/10 with 255/40, im not going to recommend an offset because that is largely dependent on what modifications you have
The key is the front. On a lowered car this gives you a realistic alignment and with rolled fenders not problem beating the car with out rubbing. Anything wider you are making modifications and probably run into rubbing of some sort you will have. Unless your turning out big numbers or going pro racecourse you are not going to need any more tire than that. Nitto NT05s 235/40 provided me all sorts of grip. Ive driven with wider tires in the front and just made the steering feel heavy and was more annoying then benefits provided.
awesome info man! I wanted to run 255's as I had planned on racing road course.
as for power im hoping for 400whp for stage one and then build an engine for 600+
I figure do it once do it right rather than what I used to do haha
Rustspecs13: (2014-06-27 23:13:59)
Did some one say 255's and 315s?
88t stance 6.jpg
255/40/17 on the same exact setup, except the springs have sagged a little now that they are on my blue Z. Rears are 275/35/18 crappy nexans.
Then I borrowed some black 18x10.5 +15 with 315/30/18 hoosier slicks. Rears fit great with just rolled fenders, they needed a little pulling to fit as is. I never drove on them just test fit. Fronts have the same 25mm spacer I ran with the 17s, so I could run a 10-15mm smaller spacer and do some fender work and run the 315s up front as well.
The chrome 18's had 285/35/18s on in those pictures. So 285 on 18x10.5 -10 (including spacer) fits pretty well on stock front fenders. With only 1.6deg of camber.
88t stance 2.jpg
88t stance 3.jpg
88t stance.jpg
I prefer the 255/40/17s. I just had a few free 245/45's and then cheap new 245/45's.
The white z will be on 285/35 slicks all the way around next time it runs. Should be sticky.
~Alex
Spooledup300z: (2014-06-27 23:25:44)
Alex, I like the stance of your car, it looks good
Rustspecs13: (2014-06-28 15:04:04)
Thanks! I try and blend form and function. Its working pretty well, but Im tired of the RFP1s after 2-3 years....
~Alex
frostvectron: (2014-06-28 17:00:57)
Thanks Alex.
slammedcoupe: (2014-07-28 21:00:04)
bumping this again, Fitment gurus needed!
looking at some used wheels: 18x9+22and 18x10+15 (going off adams sizing these should fit well in the rear and need about a 25mm front spacer)
but if I wanted to spend too much money, would something like this be hard to fit?
Fronts: 9.5j +12
Rears: 12j +15
DeleriousZ: (2014-07-29 21:29:59)
12j +15 should fit in the rears. The 12j +22's I tried were just a touch too high of an offset, I think they cleared the control arms, but might have rubbed on the inner fender walls.
td06z31: (2014-07-30 00:36:36)
i run 18x9.5+7 in front and 18x9.5+12 in rear if I ran a 8-10mm spacer in rear it would be flush with fender but tire would rub running 245's the rear has lots of room backsapce wise very very little on the outside. So basicly the front will hit your coilover if you have stance coilover with a 9.5+12 in front the rear should be fine if you stretch the fuck out of a 225 or so tire. For reference here is my setup with the aformentioned specs.
[archived image: IMAG05231.jpg]
slammedcoupe: (2014-07-30 19:19:05)
12j +15 should fit in the rears. The 12j +22's I tried were just a touch too high of an offset, I think they cleared the control arms, but might have rubbed on the inner fender walls.
I may do this, it would be awesome! haha whats your specs again travis?
i run 18x9.5+7 in front and 18x9.5+12 in rear if I ran a 8-10mm spacer in rear it would be flush with fender but tire would rub running 245's the rear has lots of room backsapce wise very very little on the outside. So basicly the front will hit your coilover if you have stance coilover with a 9.5+12 in front the rear should be fine if you stretch the fuck out of a 225 or so tire. For reference here is my setup with the aformentioned specs.
[archived image: IMAG05231.jpg]
thanks for the info man! looks like I could go with the 9.5 0 offset and be ok all around.
slammedcoupe: (2014-07-30 21:39:19)
someone tell me to be stupid and fit these
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=571918
slammedcoupe: (2014-07-30 21:41:18)
or these
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=572672
or some 19s? probably too donk ya
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=570786
DeleriousZ: (2014-07-30 21:55:49)
God fucking damnit dude. If I had the funds for wheels I would buy these on the spot. Those specs are 100% perfect for a Kouki body.
My effective specs are
18x9.5 et -13 225/40 bubbletires (federal 595)
18x10.5 et 0 245/40
td06z31: (2014-07-30 23:41:48)
Yuo should be able to pull those offsets with some pulling of the fenders and such possibly lol
adamvann3: (2014-07-31 01:53:38)
18x9.5 -25 225/40's --> Man up
Rears we are about even 18x11+6 255/35 but my manhood .5" longer
DeleriousZ: (2014-07-31 03:58:31)
Yeah, but my 225/40's are like 245/40's lol. damn federal tires.
adamvann3: (2014-07-31 13:50:42)
Yeah, but my 225/40's are like 245/40's lol. damn federal tires.
Yup federals run super wide. I really enjoy how the Nitto 555s turned out.
I do have some envy with your rear fitment. I am really in need of LCAs adjustments to correct some of the caster and toe then can get on your level. Keep up the progression!
slammedcoupe: (2014-07-31 16:47:03)
well I have my eyes on some local wheels now, Gulf stitches, I have always loved these wheels! I may go for them as they are local and a good price!
18x9 +23
18x10.5 +17
not perfect sizing, but nice sized lips and like I said local/price!
slammedcoupe: (2014-07-31 16:57:03)
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DeleriousZ: (2014-07-31 17:48:15)
I'm pretty sure I've seen those for sale before. Like last year or so. Make sure to check them out in depth if you do go see em.
slammedcoupe: (2014-07-31 21:26:32)
will do, they are in leth! have you heard bad things?
DeleriousZ: (2014-07-31 22:18:28)
I haven't but they seem to come up for sale fairly regularly.
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-01 14:08:11)
its ok, they sold now :/
the hunt continues! haha
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-01 16:38:11)
well..... I found something kinda in the price range, and very very very far into the holy fuck range…
specs:
Specs:
5x114.3
Fronts
18x12 -2 w/ Falken azenis rt-615k
Rears
18x13 -14 w/ 335/30zr18
anything like this ever been done with the z??
DeleriousZ: (2014-08-01 16:41:46)
Not sure even mutant-Z fenders could swallow those rears.
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-01 18:20:20)
haha, Its tempting as I could probably get them for a steal!!
hmmm.... how wide are ZG flares? haha
or maybe mutant z overs and ZG flares?
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-04 18:57:19)
This is what ive researched from the big wheels im looking at compared to stock.
ive also compared to my existing wheels and the outside lip sticks out about 2"
if the inner lip measurements will work I could run these with some flares or some serious pull I think!
REAR:
Compared to your existing wheel,
this new wheel will have an inner rim which is 42.2mm closer to the suspension strut.
The outer rim will poke out 110.2mm more than before.
FRONT:
Compared to your existing wheel,
this new wheel will have an inner rim which is 41.5mm closer to the suspension strut.
The outer rim will poke out 85.5mm more than before.
since my car is 10hrs away can anybody tell me if this will work on the inner measurements? I think the fron will hit :/
adroitcaptor: (2014-08-04 19:16:46)
Not sure if you need someone specific to measure. If not hit me up with a PM. I will be home in a couple hours and can do all the measuring you desirr. [85t, pulled fenders, on ST springs] LMK
(I have G35 19s, G35 18s, 17x9 steelies, stock, R32 GTR 16x8, and a few others as a comparison base.)
-dan
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-04 19:25:00)
that would work man!
just a quick measure from the back of the stock wheel to the first thing it would hit front/rear. if possible!
DeleriousZ: (2014-08-05 00:18:54)
I would wager you can fit an 18x12 et18 or 19ish. In the rear to clear the trailing arm, and the inner fender wall depending on how low you go/how much camber you run. Not sure about the fronts
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-06 21:20:02)
hhmmrrmmm interesting.
I dunno, Ive stumbled across some 17x8.5 +13/ 17x10 +20 Borbet Type A's. I would have to space a bit but I LOVE type A's with a passion.
now to decide to go gangsta, or classy haha
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-13 16:46:25)
well its been decided, going to run a 17x10 square setup +15, 235/40r17 F and 255/40r17 R
with spacers (if I keep what I have now) the setup will be 17x10 -20 effective !
adamvann3: (2014-08-13 18:51:31)
Front should be really easy even with -20. Rears are going to need fender work if you want to run anything decent for camber (@ -20). I would bolt them on at +15 and see where you are at prior to adding a spacer in the rear.
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-13 19:16:28)
good advice. I may change up the spacers aswell to make everything fit nice!
I just want to avoid the hammer head look haha!
here are the wheels I have ordered! ive always loved meshies and picked these up NEW for WELL under MSRP/Market value!!
[archived image: OGSAN_zpsfaca169b.jpg]
DeleriousZ: (2014-08-13 19:20:20)
Did you get them local/canada? more deals to be had?
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-13 19:51:43)
negative, last set blowout on ebay, they are listing the 17x9 +5 in graphite( which I also won yesterday for 450$ for the set but cancelled as I thought they were 10s)
link
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Axis-OG-San-…343c8c&vxp=mtr
DeleriousZ: (2014-08-13 20:18:21)
darn, wanted another set for the mk2 lol
slammedcoupe: (2014-08-13 20:55:53)
10s would be crazy haha, why not rock the 9's on the mk2?
DeleriousZ: (2014-08-13 22:09:06)
was looking for 15/16 and 7/8or9 lol. I've already got 16x7.5 and 16x9 on it.