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G-E: (2012-04-17 09:33:07)
I just disassembled 2 rear subframes and couldn't save more than 1 sleeve, it's ridiculous but short of having some made up or buying new rubber bushings…
anyone know if energy suspension or other prothane parts (say s130?) for example have them?
-Strike-: (2012-04-17 12:41:43)
Seems like a lot of us have been having this issue recently. On my 84, I had to cut the bolts off of both the inner sleeves, the bolts were completely seized in, rendering them useless to reuse with the new Prothane bushings. One of the only options as you said, is to buy new bushings, and burn the rubber off an use them. I'm sure there has got to be another car that uses the same diameter, and length inner sleeves. But, what a broad search that would be. I'm actually surprised ES, or Prothane doesn't include them.
The odd thing, is some cars have different diameter sleeves for the inner/outter bushings on rear control arms.
Gnugfur: (2012-04-17 12:48:21)
I managed to save two of them
So i got new ones made out of 316 stainless.
Much better than installing original carbon steel ones wich eventually will sieze again.
-Strike-: (2012-04-17 12:49:15)
Awesome! Here's how mine look, lol.
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Gnugfur: (2012-04-17 12:55:29)
Mine didnt look any better. Lol
yes, i am a picture idiot. I take pictures of about everything! edit : just checked my albums. I got 2382 pics of my Z build. And thats just the suspension, headers, new oilcooler and new exhaust. ^_^
Seeing that you have two "whole" ones there. Clean em up and get them to a machineshop and tell them you want an exact replica of them.
The adjustment arm one should be 0.5mm larger radius. So be aware of that. I had to have mine remilled. :banghead since i didnt
think of that.
edit : oh, both adjustable ones are out. Apply enough heat to them to relieve the siezure and try pounding out the bolt. It should go back to its original shape afterwards if you let
it cool off naturally. Then you should have the inner diameter. Lenght is the same as the other ones.
-Strike-: (2012-04-17 13:00:20)
Hah, don't feel bad. I take photos of pretty much everything, aswell.
Gnugfur: (2012-04-17 13:03:03)
I still have the old ones. (never throw anything you might get use for ONE day in the rest of your life)
I could take some measurements with images and toss up for you guys? geting new ones milled in 316 or another material is
much cheaper than buying new bushings. Even better considering you dont have to spend time destroying them in the process.
-Strike-: (2012-04-17 13:08:19)
Hey, you might as well throw it out there. Gives some options and more measurements to add to my book of stuff :d
DeleriousZ: (2012-04-17 14:48:21)
I've got solid models of those as well.
Might be something easy that ASCO could offer for replacement along with oe grade bolts? Cost shouldn't be more than $5/pc at most in a mid volume run.
Son of Lars: (2012-04-17 15:44:46)
Saved 2 of mine as well. The 2 to adjustment ones we spun up in stainless steel. Considered making a few extras, but we were running out of time.
862sik: (2012-04-17 15:56:40)
Damn, everyone has the same issue lol. I had that issue and had to chop it off. but I reused the other side by burning it and then scrubbing it on a scour pad. Put anti seiz on the bolts this time…it will never rust up again!
G-E: (2012-04-17 17:55:47)
did you measure them? I can have some made too, if you have the specs I'll ask my cousin to do it this week
DeleriousZ: (2012-04-17 18:07:35)
[quote]G-E wrote:
Seeing that you have two "whole" ones there. Clean em up and get them to a machineshop and tell them you want an exact replica of them.
The adjustment arm one should be 0.5mm larger radius. So be aware of that. I had to have mine remilled. :banghead since i didnt
did you measure them? I can have some made too, if you have the specs I'll ask my cousin to do it this week
As I said above I'm pretty sure i have full 3d models at home of them, will let you know tonight
NissanEgg: (2012-04-17 18:10:48)
Glad I live in the South. No rust to worry about. I was able to save all 4 of mine and even the bolts cleaned up well with a good zinc coating left.
Maybe someone should offer the stainless version for sale. Set of 4 for $30 or so?
862sik: (2012-04-17 18:16:01)
I live in california with no salt, but mine got rusted shut. Never seen that before. But fortunatly I dont have the rust like OTHER people do lol.
zachary.ard: (2012-04-17 19:13:37)
This is an issue that we have been working to develop a solution for to offer with our Prothane poly kits as a bundle set. DZ approached us, and hopefully we can have something to show for it fairly soon!
Windzer: (2012-04-17 21:07:30)
[quote]G-E wrote:
Seeing that you have two "whole" ones there. Clean em up and get them to a machineshop and tell them you want an exact replica of them.
The adjustment arm one should be 0.5mm larger radius. So be aware of that. I had to have mine remilled. :banghead since i didnt
did you measure them? I can have some made too, if you have the specs I'll ask my cousin to do it this week
I would be in for a set if you had some made. Definitely could use for prep for my poly swap.
Gnugfur: (2012-04-17 22:50:17)
Well, considering that i got everything i needed for every bushing except these. I got kind of pissed. But challenge accepted. So i got mine made.
Sorry for the delay, i was building brakelines on my Z with no success. Damn old hoses went bust when i tried entering new fittings into them. [archived image: frown.png]
Here's the measurements, took pics just to be sure since most guys in here are working by inches. (wich to be honest, i got no clue about) and
i work in explicit millimeters. I actually forgot the outer diameter. :P Hope someone here could supply that as an addition to my numbers here.
You can find better pictures here. http://gnugfur.smugmug.com/Other/Mechan … ance-stuff
Outer Diameter 24mm
Length 64mm
Diameter non adjustable 13.6mm
Diameter Adjustable 14.2mm
Good luck on building your own
G-E: (2012-04-18 02:10:47)
both 65mm long?
Gnugfur: (2012-04-18 09:01:44)
64mm. They also have a "cone" in both ends and a griptrack. How the track looks like is not important. As long as there is one so that the sleeve can bite itself into the ear and become immobile.
Angle of cone is also not important. Since its for entering purposes of the bolt.
G-E: (2012-04-18 09:32:01)
can you please measure the outsides, and where the humps start on the shaft (ie. how far in from the ends do they extend, distance between the humps etc)
Gnugfur: (2012-04-18 09:39:39)
Updated the thread with the other images. ^_^
G-E: (2012-04-18 09:55:54)
thank you
Greasedmonkey: (2012-04-19 00:46:16)
This is why I will be buying stuff from you. Thanks.
G-E: (2012-04-19 02:11:01)
yea it's kind of ridiculous that all the other poly kits EXCEPT the trailing arm bushings come with the associated new metal bits
Greasedmonkey: (2012-04-19 23:53:43)
I got lucky, the kouki rear arms I got have the poly bushes in with good sleeves. Just have bad hubs and no brake parts.
shromy: (2012-04-20 02:53:32)
Can you guys post or send me the measurements you have for the sleeves? I have a set here but I am trying to find the other sizing. There are some cars that have a different sized inner/outer sleeve, hence why you have extra bushings in the poly kits.
vagabond: (2012-04-20 03:22:22)
Why not just buy them from Nissan?
shromy: (2012-04-20 03:30:33)
You have to buy the entire bushing? Why buy a bushing you are just going to burn?
nater86zx: (2012-04-20 13:08:50)
Scroll to bottom of page…
http://www.japanparts.com/db/partslist. … r=&VOLKEY=
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http://www.japanparts.com/db/parts_deta … ARCH_page=
Yeahhh Buddyyyy!
Windzer: (2012-04-20 13:33:13)
[quote]nater86zx wrote:
- lol: @ $300-500 bushings
nater86zx: (2012-04-20 13:37:32)
He didn't specify a price limit… He just wanted to know if anybody made a kit that included the sleeves, so there ya go.
Windzer: (2012-04-20 14:57:14)
True enough
-Strike-: (2012-04-20 18:18:10)
Sent you what measurements I took, see if any of those match your numbers.
MADMIKE: (2012-04-20 18:27:59)
I should have a few sets, of the rear sleeves
Greasedmonkey: (2012-04-20 20:44:49)
[quote]nater86zx wrote:
I was all excited about this page until I started converting the prices over....gah.
adamvann3: (2012-04-21 22:53:50)
This is what I did, and pushed out the centers, pretty easy.
Kennedy: (2013-05-07 05:03:11)
Any news where to get just the sleeves? Or do i need to order oem bushings?
Careless: (2013-05-07 05:13:38)
i had to buy OEM ones from someone who had them locally (it was a holiday weekend).
Nissan wants like 50 a piece for the bushings or something
862sik: (2013-05-08 00:49:12)
50? No way, go to courtesyparts.com.
I think I paid 70 with super duper fast shipping.
G-E: (2013-05-08 05:20:20)
Welcome to nissan canada…
Anyway, this could be a simple project for someone to make a bunch of sets, perhaps heavy zinc plated, perhaps even eccentric kits like k-mac?
Would you guys be interested in a run of something like that?
Careless: (2013-05-08 09:09:21)
Z31-Turbo from quebec had a set done.
I will say that they are super-duper hardened steel, and it took me 10 fire and rescue saw-zall blades to cut through them to get at them for my bushing install. sooooo, unless you find hardened tube that can be used in it's place… I doubt using anything else would suffice.
G-E: (2013-05-08 09:31:39)
I had mine made of hardened stainless remember… on the plus side, by the time they seize, I'll just upgrade to a subframe swap
turblown: (2013-05-08 18:17:41)
Zach, any updates on ASCO making/getting some? These are the only ones I didn't replace on the rear due to those dang sleeves!
Kennedy: (2013-11-08 05:55:39)
Any updates?
nismopu: (2013-11-08 06:19:04)
Should have some before christmas.
G-E: (2013-11-08 09:11:50)
How much is everyone willing to pay for something like this?
i r teh noobz: (2013-11-08 13:58:29)
Add up the price of new bushings from Nissan. If its cheaper, we will buy.
Kennedy: (2014-02-04 06:44:49)
2014 christmas? =D