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nismonwbie: (2011-10-05 12:40:48)
I need a set of bump steer spacers for my z…does anyone knkow where to buy them..i have researched but all i seem to find is that Z31parts.com is supposed to be making some…is this just a rumor? If anyone knows where to get some please let me know thanks
nismopu: (2011-10-05 13:37:14)
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They are going to be made again. Please be patient.
reddzx: (2011-10-05 13:41:55)
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Will these restore my front suspension geometry after installing ST lowering springs?
nismopu: (2011-10-05 13:55:21)
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I never found a need to run them with ST springs Tim but if you feel like they changed the handling characteristics then give them a shot.
NissanEgg: (2011-10-05 15:55:19)
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Word is that anything with a 1" drop or more will benefit from them.
cooljoe_1985: (2011-10-05 20:08:05)
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Good cuz I need them as well when I get my stance coilovers in.
Russ84na: (2011-10-05 21:30:54)
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The V2 spacers are at the machinist. Come to think of it they have been "there" for awhile. I will have to call him again and see where we stand.
Here is what the prototype is like:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=24763&hilit=bumpsteer+spacers
reddzx: (2011-10-06 00:27:02)
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Yeah, that's right. We talked about them months ago Russ.
nismonwbie: (2011-10-06 02:01:55)
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so russ i take it u have had enough interested to go ahaead and make a few sets? or is it just the prototype coming back from the machinist?
Russ84na: (2011-10-06 02:26:19)
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Yes. The prototype is the one that is on one of my race Z's. I will check on the progress tomorrow and see when they might be ready. Like most parts for the Z, there is never enough interest to warrant a large run so getting them done is kind of "fitting them in" between other profitable jobs.
Sharpen047: (2011-10-06 17:33:29)
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These are supposed to help steering feel/response too right? (lowered 2.75"). Coilovers get here Monday.
Russ84na: (2011-10-06 19:29:05)
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Look under your car at the front control arms. If your car is lowered then they are probably tilted so that the point where they attach to the front crossmember is lower than where they attach to the ball joint. The stock setting should have the control arm slanting down to the outside where they attach to the ball joint at about 4 to 5 degrees.
Using a bump steer spacer lowers the outside end of the control so that it is closer to what it would be with the car sitting at the stock height, this makes your steering geometry work better so your car handles better.
utjon: (2011-10-06 20:22:34)
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Was there a cost that was come up with? I'd like to get two sets pending they don't completely break the bank…
Let me know!
Russ84na: (2011-10-06 21:25:00)
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This thread has most of the information about the V2 bumpsteer spacers.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=24763&hilit=bumpsteer+spacers
I just talked to the machinist and he is begging out of the project as he is currently booked up through 2012…nice dilemma to have. come to think of it I can remember the pre Obama days were we were booked up with kitchen remodels for several months in advance.
Anyway he is going to set me up with another machinist that does more small projects. We will get together one day next week and try to have a date and price for the V2.
So any of you who are interested in a set let me know. As I said before the more I can get done in a run the less the cost will be.
MuhKaydenZ: (2011-10-06 21:28:08)
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It would come down to price for me i would be down depending on the final cost i'll set some cash aside for this [archived image: smile.png]
nismonwbie: (2011-10-07 00:54:31)
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Well i am interested also russ…as of now what would the price be per pair? How man are you having done at the machinist?
DudeZX: (2011-10-07 00:59:53)
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I will need a set.
DeleriousZ: (2011-10-07 02:05:19)
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I should probably get a set too lol.
MrFishHat: (2011-10-07 03:44:31)
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I'd like to know what the est. cost will be before I make the for sure sign in but unless its wild I'll be joining this buy as well.
nismonwbie: (2011-10-07 04:05:55)
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When and where is the "sign in"?
Russ84na: (2011-10-07 12:32:57)
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I have set up a meeting with my machinist for next week. I should have a date they will be available and how many I need to make in a run. I'll post that as soon as I get it.
Thanks
Russ
edicer2: (2011-10-07 15:36:29)
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yes! I need 1 set for sure maybe 2!
Switchback Motions: (2011-10-15 11:54:38)
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A set for me aswell!!
roastin300: (2011-10-17 00:02:32)
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Very likely I will purchase a set. If they are $300 then no. But if they are reasonable then count me in. Thanks
cooljoe_1985: (2011-10-17 23:26:02)
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Well then that maks a lot of us needing a set. With my new Stance coilovers I would like to purches a set as well.
Sharpen047: (2011-11-09 12:13:10)
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I'll probably get a pair too.
DeleriousZ: (2011-11-10 06:20:46)
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This is why we need bumpsteer spacers!
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8622/fitment14copy.jpg
Gregmatic: (2011-11-11 07:01:23)
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^ that is a cool shot.
Switchback Motions: (2011-11-15 12:23:54)
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Oh oh oh, can i get a set too???
Butter: (2011-11-15 13:56:56)
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I brought up the need for Z31 bump steer spacers (RCA's) and tension rods to Stance and Dave seemed interested. Might take awhile though.
nismopu: (2011-11-15 14:36:20)
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No one answered my question really........do you all want v1 or v2(russ's spacers)
sbs z31: (2011-11-15 15:16:56)
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Put me down for a set and doesn't matter which version.
MrFishHat: (2011-11-15 19:27:00)
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I'd be gold with some v1's.
NissanEgg: (2011-11-15 19:35:33)
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V1 would be fine with me. Wouldn't mind having another set as a spare or for another Z project.
edicer2: (2011-11-15 19:38:14)
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not sure what the differences between v1 and v2 i guess i just want something that works so whichever is cheaper since i need 2 sets unless they are close in price and one is leaps and bounds better.
86nissanZ: (2011-11-15 20:40:57)
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V1 would work for me!
DeleriousZ: (2011-11-15 23:28:43)
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V1 phô shizzle.
RedDemon: (2011-11-16 02:21:16)
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Count me in for a V1, I really doubt people will want to spend $300+ for a V2 when a V1 can be had for 1/3 the price (unless the prices for either versions have changed since I last checked)
Heimdahl: (2011-11-16 13:58:52)
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n00b here, not sure why these are needed. i read the linked topic and if my understanding is correct, its so you can get the correct or desired alignment and not tear up as many steering components. am i in the ballpark? really need this barney style lol
nismopu: (2011-11-16 14:48:30)
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I spoke with the powers that be and I will be doing a v1 run to get people by for now.
PM me to get a set!
michaelp: (2011-11-16 14:56:41)
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When lowering a Z31 more than ~1" (Or any car, really…), you cause the control arms and tie rods to start to be angled upward more, as well as cause them to not necessarily be at the same angle throughout suspension travel. If the angle of the tie rod and the control arm doesn't match, when the suspension travels (moves), the tie rod will move at a different rate and angle than the control arm which causes bump steer. Bump steer is when the car steers when hitting a bump…
A bump steer spacer moves the control arms and tie rods angle downward to return them as close as possible to OE specs, fixing suspension geometry. Once geometry is fixed, the tie rods and control arms will move together at the same angle and rate again, preventing bump steer.
DeleriousZ: (2011-11-16 16:11:55)
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See the pic I posted last page, then compare that to what your control arms look like with your car on the ground. Now imagine what kind of angle that arm will be at once the car gets lowered another inch.
nismopu: (2011-11-17 06:26:07)
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Workin out a price folks, be patient. Will have something nailed down this weekend for sure!
MrFishHat: (2011-11-17 07:46:52)
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Love you brohiem.
No Homo.
DudeZX: (2011-11-21 04:14:52)
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In for a set of V1's.
Greasedmonkey: (2011-11-24 00:21:03)
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Im good with some V1s.
Blown-N-Boosted: (2011-11-24 02:30:30)
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V1 +1[archived image: smile.png]
stufferton: (2011-11-24 09:45:24)
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Put me down for a set of v1's. Also, I've noticed when backing out of my parking spot (or any other time my steering is at full lock) as the wheels turn, I get a little *bump* in the steering wheel. Like a little nudge with a very slight accompany of sound. Like something rubs in a spot around my wheel as it turns. Is that caused from a lack of spacers? Or is that more of a turning angle thing that needs to be addressed via Mike's MOAR ANGLE topic?
/endthreadjack
Russ84na: (2011-11-24 14:02:33)
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[quote]Russ84na wrote:
Have been talking to a couple of machinists. Finally found one who is interested. Actually came in under the price I had originally been quoted. I hope to meet with him this week and work out the final details. Pricing looks like it will be $200.00 per set.
For the first time he said he would price them depending on the number done. So if we get 5 people who want them the cost will be $175 per set. If we get 10 the cost will be $150.00. This will be for an un-anodized set. Once I get them I can see how much it will cost per set to get that done.
If there is any interest let me know
Russ
stufferton: (2011-11-24 16:58:14)
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Well shit, if they come down to 150 a piece I'm down for the adjustabiliy of v2's. Hell, even @175 I'm in.
87zxturbo: (2011-11-24 18:27:59)
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I am in. looking forward to them.
Switchback Motions: (2011-11-25 13:07:33)
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100% in!!!
NissanEgg: (2011-11-25 13:35:29)
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I'm in for a set V2.
LA z: (2011-11-25 20:23:22)
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Is there a place to confirm a set? I would like to buy one set. I am a "newby" to the site, but have been looking and did a few posts here now and then. How can I get on the 'List"
Russ84na: (2011-11-25 22:24:11)
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You are on the list. I have to meet with the machinist. Once he is ready to start I will post up where to send a deposit.
nismopu: (2011-11-29 06:57:58)
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Ok, work sucks balls sending me out of town and making it hard to nail down times for side work like this. It will be done though and everyone who has pm ed me has a reply! Good job Russ finding someone to take on your project and if they fall through I can take it on at the same time as the v1 run!
84Zed31: (2011-11-29 09:32:48)
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How many people for v1 and v2 currently? I'm thinking about v2 but I want to see how many people are going for it.
87zxturbo: (2011-11-29 13:47:01)
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I PMed for the V2 set but if its only V1 I still want 2 sets!
Russ84na: (2011-11-29 14:15:07)
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I met with the machinist last night. He is going to run a V2 set to be sure that it is the way I want it. This should be done this week. Once I have checked them out on my car to be sure of the fit and finish, he will start production. I will post pictures as soon as I get the part from him.
Please post on this thread if you want a set of the V2 spacers so that I can have him order enough material. I will need to get an idea by the end of the week.
reddzx: (2011-11-29 14:23:14)
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What's the difference between V1 and V2?
Russ84na: (2011-11-29 14:56:01)
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The V1: Is the single piece version that corrects your steering geometry when you lower your car.
This has had some troubles rubbing the rotors and production was stopped. It seems to work with the later rotors that slip over the hub instead of bolting on the back.
http://www.z31parts.com/images/strutspacers.JPG
The V2 addresses the problem of rubbing the rotor by making it in two sliding pieces. This allows for some camber adjustment as well as correcting the steering geometry.
[attachment=0:3uciybr7]V2 bumpsteer 019 (Medium).jpg[/attachment:3uciybr7]
sbs z31: (2011-11-29 21:42:35)
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Russ, what is the estimated cost for the v2? I am kinda press on money for some tooling for the shop so hopefully I can squeeze the v2 in my budget.
nismopu: (2011-11-29 23:54:58)
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For the zenki guys wanting to run the v1's its just simply removing the lip of the lca and it wont rub. I had a few people confirm this for me on the last run I did for Jason.
DeleriousZ: (2011-11-30 05:48:29)
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still in for the v1's [archived image: biggrin.png]
pabloqc: (2011-12-09 00:17:16)
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Any new about it, Iam in for V1 at any time about now
Parker: (2011-12-09 00:30:35)
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I'd like a set of V2's.
NissanEgg: (2011-12-09 00:50:34)
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Here is what the bump steer spacers do for your car. My car has Type2 Z3R springs and this with the engine and trans and such in the car with the wheels on the ground.
[archived image: DSC02287.jpg]
[archived image: DSC02289.jpg]
Now compare that to DeleriousZ's suspension shot.
stufferton: (2011-12-09 02:04:22)
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You have me down for the V2's or should I PM you directly?
Russ84na: (2011-12-09 13:38:36)
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Still waiting for the machinist to get the set back to me for final approval. I will check the this thread and post when they are ready as well as PM everyone that has sent me a message and/or posted on this thread.
As for what they will do in NissanEgg's post: The normal angle of the front control arm is about 5 degrees sloping down toward the wheel. As you lower the car this changes to a flatter angle. On my car it was lowered to the point where the control arm was angled down toward the engine. The handling was really bad. With the V1 spacers I corrected it to level and it made a huge difference in the handling. Then I raised the car a bit and it became even better.
The Car I put the V2 spacers on was lowered and they corrected the angle back to the stock angle. Much better handling.
dirty31: (2011-12-10 04:39:56)
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Load paths, suspension and steering geometry (and pushrod/pullrod if applicable) is all about the angles between the various members. When the car is lowered and your lower arm is sloped in and down like Russ mentioned, the angle between the upright and lower arm is more than 90 degrees and increasing. Stock setup approaches 90 in bump. Camber Gain/Loss in bump is what we are talking about here. IMHO this is the biggest factor in the degradation in the handling of the car. I don't think that the bump steer changes all that much due to being lowered, of course i could be mistaken here, as i have never measured it.
Switchback Motions: (2011-12-31 14:02:03)
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Any word yet Russ??
Russ84na: (2012-01-01 14:52:05)
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Yes. Go here for information
http://z31performance.com/forum/vie … 12&t=31728
nismopu: (2012-01-05 22:42:07)
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Received the material today for the v1's and will be started this week! If you have pmed me already for your set I will be doing a followup response.
Russ84na: (2012-01-06 14:28:33)
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Change in group buy structure due to confusion in the way it was put together. Go to this thread to see changes.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=31728&p=365956#p365956
nismopu: (2012-01-06 15:39:05)
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I have responded to all PM's and when the parts are DONE(aka back from ano) I will ask for payment but hold onto your funds until then.
nismopu: (2012-01-25 20:37:21)
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progress!
86nissanZ: (2012-01-25 20:58:24)
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Lookin good Kyle!
Russ84na: (2012-01-25 21:01:57)
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Sweet, love to see more aftermarket parts for out Z's
nismopu: (2012-01-25 21:45:37)
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Indeed Russ! Stay tuned for more suspension bits on the horizon!
DeleriousZ: (2012-01-25 23:31:20)
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Yeeaaa booyyyyeee. Nice!
cooljoe_1985: (2012-01-26 22:18:26)
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I am excited.
nismopu: (2012-01-26 23:07:27)
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Going to ano on monday!
cooljoe_1985: (2012-01-27 18:17:21)
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HELL YES…
Parker: (2012-02-01 23:14:57)
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Did anyone else read this in NKOTB-era Donnie Wahlberg's voice?
He usually followed it up by something equally retarded like "Yeah, damn!! Yo, c'mon c'mon c'mon!!"
I contribute.
Careless: (2012-02-01 23:53:49)
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i know rite?
the bump steer spacers look good too, though!
[archived image: redface.png]ops
nismopu: (2012-02-02 20:56:32)
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For those enquiring about price, the initial price will be 100 bucks shipped.
cooljoe_1985: (2012-02-03 02:39:48)
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Awesome. Cant wait to buy these.
cooljoe_1985: (2012-02-10 19:30:31)
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Any updates yet on when we can buy these babies?
nismopu: (2012-02-10 20:41:11)
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Picking them up monday from the anodizers. They ran a little higher on the cost for ano so they will be 110 shipped now. The colors are black and red.
I can start accepting money and I will be getting everyone invoices to them to confirm the order. I also will PM anyone who has enquired about these.
Sorry it took so long but its hard getting this stuff done during my busy season at work.
My PP is nismopu@hotmail.com
cooljoe_1985: (2012-02-10 23:01:32)
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PMed buddy…
Greasedmonkey: (2012-02-13 05:41:35)
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I cant wait to get my v1's. I guess since I have a 86, Ill have to mod some stuff to keep it from rubbing now?
nismopu: (2012-02-14 18:05:13)
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People whom have paid:
pabloqc
dudezx
greasedmokey
Cooljoe
86nissanz
Still waiting for hardware to show up.....however,
shromy: (2012-02-14 19:14:01)
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They look like shit! [archived image: wink.png]
Russ84na: (2012-02-14 19:39:53)
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Kyle they look really good.
The V2 version is back from the machinist
[attachment=0:ler8g4vo]bumpsteer spacer installation 013 (Large).jpg[/attachment:ler8g4vo]
They should be back from being anodized by the end of the week.
I will notify everyone who has sent in a deposit by PM
cooljoe_1985: (2012-02-14 20:09:41)
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OH YA. cant wait to get them in and get my Stance installed. SEXY.
nismopu: (2012-02-14 20:16:13)
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Bad ass Russ! Time to correct some LCA's!!!
james: (2012-02-15 08:20:47)
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You Sir have PM & have been paid
86nissanZ: (2012-02-22 02:46:12)
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Any updates Kyle?
NissanEgg: (2012-02-22 04:51:50)
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+1[archived image: smile.png]
zachary.ard: (2012-02-22 05:10:57)
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We ordered a bulk shipment of bolts. I think as soon as they arrive these are shipping out.
nismopu: (2012-02-22 14:39:32)
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^ this. I cant see why they wouldnt show up today....
nismopu: (2012-02-23 07:07:33)
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nissan egg-red
pabloqc-red
86nissanz-black
cooljoe-red
greasedmonkey-black
Dudezx-black
juan martinez(screename?)-red
All paid and shipping out tomorrow! Sorry for the delay guys you all have been very patient and understanding!
Greasedmonkey: (2012-02-23 18:34:33)
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Good to hear they are coming. I cant help buy wait for these…I dont have strut tubes for the coilovers yet. Thanks again for making these.
cooljoe_1985: (2012-02-23 22:31:34)
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Awesome. Thank you…
jm9308: (2012-02-24 01:18:42)
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Jm9308 (Juan Martinez)
Thanks a bunch
cooljoe_1985: (2012-02-27 00:49:16)
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Got my spacers in today. Thanks buddy…
Greasedmonkey: (2012-02-27 04:06:00)
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Got mine today. They look awesome!!!
86nissanZ: (2012-02-27 04:14:39)
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I got mine yesterday…
[archived image: IMG_8604.jpg]
Got them installed today
[archived image: IMG_8645.jpg]
Thanks Again Kyle!
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-28 14:55:17)
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Anyone have the cad or .STP available for the V1 spacer?
I'd like to see if my machine shop could do a set for me, anyone?
Russ84na: (2012-02-28 15:30:28)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
You have got to be kidding. After Kyle went to all the time and effort to design and make them, you have the audacity to ask for that for free. Either take off your strut and measure it or buy one and then have the machinist copy it.
The reason we have such a small number of aftermarket parts for the Z31 is because some of you guys are so damn cheap and won't pay for anything. If you don't support people like Kyle and Zach there will be nothing available and we might as well send our Z's to the crusher
BSRJIRONMAN: (2012-02-28 17:04:01)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
Sell him the design.
THEN sell him a set of spacers when he finds out how much his machinist will charge him to make a set.
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-28 17:08:15)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
Seriously?
I think if my idea was to produce part I would feel bad, but if I have the ability to have it done on my lunch time today, should I really feel bad for asking?
Kyle went to all the time and effort to design
All the time effort? The idea of the V1 spacer is pretty damn basic and was done on MANY other car before the Z31. I don't think to design it was time consuming or an effort. To have it done, and make it available to the community is an effort, but the design ? C'mon
There is a difference between personnal and production use.
I didn't paid for 'Solid motor mount', and I shared my dimensions and stuff with the community and boom, not even a months after they we're available threw different sources.
Does the community suffer from that ? I don't think so, I'm sure Zach sold a lot of solid mount, even if it's so easy to build at home for anyone.
You have to understand that aftermarket parts for the Z31 are available because there is money to make with them.
I won't pay to get a coilover adapter cause I can have them done, why pay?
Do you also tell people not the fix their car by themself because they steal money from the garage?
What the hell is that, asking for a CAD is nothing. I can use a caliper and figure it out, only difference is that I won't get them done today.
Am I lazy? No, I just know the drawing is already there, why not ask?
There is market for the parts you make, we are very few quantity here that can make it ourself. what are you scared of?
You want to make money on everyone because you have acess to a CNC?
I don't think that is what I call helping a community.
Congrats for the V2 mount, great design & improvement. Do I ask for those cads ? NO these are your idea, your design and I wouldn't feel good asking for them.
Careless: (2012-02-28 17:45:45)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
well thanks for volunteering yourself to re-draw a basic CAD drawing for your own personal use.
if it's pretty basic, then why are you asking for files?
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Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-28 17:55:14)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
LOL. I made a drawing just for your in what, 5 minutes? Pardon the small mistake, I'm kinda pissed right now.
Problem is, the CNC is almost NEVER available for personnal project. Now only thing I can do is hope it will be available again soon…
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-28 18:00:39)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
I don't show the hole to drill on under the spacer because I don't have the part right now, I guess you can figure this part out. Simply add 1MM depth extra to make sure it get in totally.
Is this patented ? No
Will this reduce the sell of bump steer V2 spacer or even V1 spacer ? No
Do I feel bad for posting this? C'mon
Switchback Motions: (2012-02-28 18:20:13)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
So basicly if you did this a day or 2 sooner you could of had your own made? Ummmm.... Wait.....what? Are you serious? Do you want to be spoonfed?
BSRJIRONMAN: (2012-02-28 18:36:44)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
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I can tell you right now, that your design will not bolt up. There are also a number of factors you're not considering. Not to mention your tolerances. But what do I know, I'm just a designer, and designing stuff is effortless.
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-28 20:04:13)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
RB20ZR:
Seriously, what's your point ? Being a d*ck, alright. Congrats, you are.
Make me say something I didn't say. Design is not easy, this is taking something to another level. Quote what you want.
BRAVO. Criss de sans dessin.
Some cool dude say it's not right, than all other follow…!
Telling bunch of crap, this you're good at it!
Did I say this was the final drawing ? NO, this took 5 minutes.
Will it bolt up when I'm done? YES
I can do it, sure I can, but I know that If I need quick support, I'll knock to a closed door here.
I was only asking for a quick turn around since the CNC was available from 12h00 to 13h00. Master cam and some time on the setup, parts could be done in no time.
Dude, Let me have both parts in hand and I'll make it work.
Thanks for the help, and useless comments
BSRJIRONMAN: (2012-02-28 21:18:12)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
Good work my man.
Hey, after you've finalized the design, and tested prototypes, and created a CAD file, send me the .dwg file so I can pop some out. Thanks!
Switchback Motions: (2012-02-28 23:12:47)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
Exactly. Why should you expect files for free when they have hours of R and D into them? Buy a set and copy them then. And theirs are anodized. Can you do that for cheaper aswell?
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-28 23:30:46)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
Done.
Should have the program ready by the end of the night.
I don't mind to share the cad, let me know if you need it.
NissanEgg: (2012-02-28 23:32:06)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
Got mine in the mail Saturday. Now I have 2 sets. 8)
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-28 23:32:25)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
[quote]RB20ZR wrote:
Good work my man.
Hey, after you've finalized the design, and tested prototypes, and created a CAD file, send me the .dwg file so I can pop some out. Thanks!
Exactly. Why should you expect files for free when they have hours of R and D into them? Buy a set and copy them then. And theirs are anodized. Can you do that for cheaper aswell?
Anodized is not that expensive, sir.
Russ84na: (2012-02-28 23:43:22)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
Very nice.
All this came about because you asked for a file… "I'd like to see if my machine shop could DO a set for me"
By the time you are done testing them and fixing all the minor corrections that always are needed you will see why I "went off on you". Let us know how they work out for you and if you saved any money.
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-28 23:50:28)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
I have good relation with the machine shop. I design product and often have the chance to deal with them.
Those CNC parts won't cost me a thing.
I guess we only have a different view of the situation.
It's a simple design and does not require a prototype.
The first one will be the good one. Take your caliper, and valid the cad if you want.
Spacer will be 1.25 thick.
I'll also have 8 extra spacer as below done on the plasma cutter. These will be .125
This will leave me 8 possible setting, to adjust to the height if needed.
Switchback Motions: (2012-02-29 00:10:40)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
No prototype is why you are making spacers.
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-29 00:12:24)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
LOL
Do you understand what is the purpose of this component?
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DeleriousZ: (2012-02-29 00:15:35)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
not cool.
BSRJIRONMAN: (2012-02-29 00:16:05)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
Are those .125" shims meant to fit to the bottom of the main spacer?
If so, you need to be careful about that. The bore that mates to the steering knuckle is a vital for load transference. With smaller spacers stacked underneath, you're compromising this design, and are creating shear points.
Do YOU understand how this component works?
Switchback Motions: (2012-02-29 00:21:54)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
^^^^ This
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-29 00:23:29)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
RB20trollZR
^^^^
You simply don't understand why they are valuable, sir.
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BSRJRONMAN, I agree one solid part would be better.
But this kind of part can't be the same for everyone.
Each different drop height requires a different Spacer adjustment.
Ride Height of everyone running coilover on their Z31 is different.
Only part of the community that could get a One size fit all is the 'To the floor' crew…! :twisted:
I have no clue of what will be needed on my car, this is why I'm looking for some allowance.
Inside diameter will be .003 bigger than the external diameter of the knuckle.
The 1/8 height will be enough to offer proper support and guidance.
As long as the bottom and top part are guided in the right spot, the compression of the remaining spacer is the key.
There is a reason for the huge stock M12 x 1.25 bolt, all t load from the column end up on them.
adamvann3: (2012-02-29 00:51:19)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
1st I took the original V1 bump steer spacer drawing
Corrected the missing dimensions then made a CAD file. **I know the specific drop these are designed for. My car exceeds those, but my FLAs are horizontal and still allow for more than enough movement in the ball joint to benefit/be safe.
Then I tossed it in FEA to put some loads on it. Interesting enough there was some weak spots that could be prone to fatigue failure. I added more material to those areas, changed some radii to improve to my liking. Then I busted out the machinist handbook and spec'd the clearance holes. Then I measured a handful of spindles and then adjusted the top portion so it was a slight press fit.
Then I ordered some new Moog ball joints. Measured my old ball joints and saw I was able to leave more material in the inner radii.
Lastly I wanted a set made..... and what is the best way to get sets at a decent price? Group buy.... Enter Kyle as my experience in getting the coilover adapters made was pleasant.
I have had plenty of other custom parts machined by Kyle.... mutual respect for each others talents and we both benefit respectively.
Fast forward now to G. Buy #2 and this pissing match. It was not as simple as slapping down some dimensions.... just saying.
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-29 00:54:25)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
But is making a set myself, here in Montreal, for me,for fun, is a bad thing?
Do you complain about people making their own gutted manifold because they steal market?
I don't get all the hate from this thread.
Why in hell do you complain about someone doing stuff for his Z?
Why the hell do I have to argue about my spacer?
I don't plan any production, the spindle in my hand is the spindle needed. I got the right mesure.
Why argue ? Why not say good luck ?
I would LOVE to see my spacer bent, I guess this would be the result of a CRAZY amount of strenght.
A lot of component are overbuilt to begin with, and those spacers are part of the lot.
adamvann3: (2012-02-29 00:59:53)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
I think it was just sore bums from blatantly asking for a file that is being marketed. No intentions from reproduction still puts a risk that an uncontrolled copy is out of the hands of the proprietor.
You: understand the risk, maybe a PM would have been better suited
Others: The point has been made
Now
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and relax
Z-31Turbo: (2012-02-29 01:06:41)
Re: Has anyone found "Bump Steer Spacers"
Right,
Thanks for the great support.
RVAE34: (2017-12-21 17:31:25)
Almost sorry to bring up this old thread after reading through it but are these still available as I would like a pair of these for my build.