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'''BLOZ UP:''' <small>(2014-06-02 17:46:40)</small>

So, maybe I'm a little rusty, but the tensioning instructions from the 96 Pathfinder FSM make little sense to me. It's something like this:

Loosen tensioner and turn 'all the way loose'
Put new belt on
Turn tensioner 70-80 degrees
Tighten tensioner
Spin motor
Loosen but hold steady tensioner while pulling the timing belt
Tighten the tensioner
Put 1/2" wide 0.35mm feeler gauge on tensioner for no apparent reason

Those are from memory so they might be slightly off. Still, this makes zero sense to me. Turn the tensioner 70-80 degrees from what starting angle? How taught is the spring supposed to be? Why is there even a spring there? All the videos and some photos from install guides show people turning it 70-80 degrees counter-clockwise instead of the clockwise the FSM specifies.

So far I've just turned it roughly 80 degrees clockwise from where it sits loose when the new belt is on. Seems tight to me.

I know the 84-86 or so FSM specifies loosening the rocker arms and a using a spring scale to measure the tension, but that was superseded. This procedure seems like it should make more sense. Or I am on crack.

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'''dbruce:''' <small>(2014-06-02 20:59:20)</small>

fyi timing belt change videos :

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMaBZXgSkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMaBZXgSkA]

Nissan 3.0 V6 timing belt, Water pump And thermostat p1

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meYzjmpgUtc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meYzjmpgUtc]

Part 2. Nissan 3.0 V6 timing belt, Water pump And thermostat

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMQo3a7krfI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMQo3a7krfI]

Part 3. Nissan 3.0 V6 timing belt, Water pump And thermostat

this is good too:

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6tT1TNMWvw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6tT1TNMWvw]

1987 Nissan 300zx: Episode 18: Timing Belt Install

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'''BLOZ UP:''' <small>(2014-06-02 22:48:26)</small>

Yeah I've seen that. As best as I can tell from the video, he turns the tensioner the opposite way the FSM specifies. He turns it counter-clockwise, when the FSM specifies clockwise.

[https://youtu.be/meYzjmpgUtc?t=8m10s Link to time I'm talking about]

However, it likely doesn't matter which way as long as the tension is still correct.

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'''BLOZ UP:''' <small>(2014-06-05 17:22:24)</small>

So… anyone?

What is 70-80 degrees starting from?

What's the point of the feeler gauge?

What's the point of loosening the tensioner-but holding it, and pulling on the belt? To make sure it's not too tight? How can this be accurate at all?

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'''Augustus Maximus:''' <small>(2014-06-06 01:38:55)</small>

I set it by feel…I sometimes verify with my spring scale. But I know how it should feel.

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'''JSM:''' <small>(2017-11-14 04:13:36)</small>

{{Quote|user=BLOZ UP|So… anyone?

What is 70-80 degrees starting from?

What's the point of the feeler gauge?

What's the point of loosening the tensioner-but holding it, and pulling on the belt? To make sure it's not too tight? How can this be accurate at all?}}

Whew. I'm going through this now and have all the same questions as you. My thinking with the feeler gauge is it is a check to verify the belt is tensioned enough as it says as you do it, it will turn 2.5 teeth. I'm thinking as the gauge is rolling in, the cam gears will roll back a couple of teeth.

I'm still trying to understand the reference as well. 70 to 80 from where.

Did you ever figure this out?

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'''JoeV11:''' <small>(2017-11-22 16:44:33)</small>

I am following this. I too am about to do my timing belt and cam seals for the first time

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'''Dunkine:''' <small>(2017-11-22 17:40:51)</small>

"I'm still trying to understand the reference as well. 70 to 80 from where."

You put the allen wrench in and turn it 70-80 degrees to tighten per the 96 Pathfinder FSM.

You can look how the tensioner is clocked before you loosen it with the old belt on. You can even feel the tension on the old belt if you want.

Nissan didn't specify a belt tension in the Z FSM, so I've always just tightened it up like it was. You'll know if you get it too tight, it'll whine.

And I don't loosen the rocker arms.

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'''JSM:''' <small>(2017-11-22 17:44:23)</small>

So far with removing mine and receiving my new tensioner and spring, it appears you wind it about 1 revolution because that is all the spring will allow, slide the belt on and adjust tensioner. From reading some other post, folks have ditched the spring altogether.

Remember, before removing your plugs, blow the ever living daylights around your spark plugs to get all the junk out. I also broke them loose about 1/2 way and blew again. Got even more crap out.

The other reference which I confirmed with my old belt, is between the cam gears you should only be able to twist the belt to 60 degrees. If you can't, it's to tight, if you can get to 90, it's to loose.

Last reference I saw was between the cam gears, with 22lbs of force it should deflect about 1/2" and 1mm of sag with a straight edge between cam gears.

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'''JoeV11:''' <small>(2017-11-22 18:24:35)</small>

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'''JSM:''' <small>(2017-11-22 18:38:42)</small>

Hard part is 22lbs of force.

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'''JoeV11:''' <small>(2017-11-22 18:45:47)</small>

Well Iâve been looking at different belt tension gauges and canât find one I like that is affordable.

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'''JSM:''' <small>(2017-11-22 18:50:50)</small>

{{Quote|user=JoeV11|Well Iâve been looking at different belt tension gauges and canât find one I like that is affordable.}}

Where's the link?

Is a fish scale accurate?

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'''Dunkine:''' <small>(2017-11-23 14:39:38)</small>

You can use a push tensioner, that's what I use on my Harley to adjust the drive belt tension. You push it down and measure the deflection. I see one that go to 30lbs on Amazon. Reviews say the sticker peels off.

[https://www.amazon.com/Gates-7401-0076-Pencil-Tension-Deflection/dp/B00CJEGXK6?tag=z31performance-20 https://www.amazon.com/Gates-7401-00…;psc=1&amp;ref]

$35

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'''JSM:''' <small>(2017-11-24 22:54:30)</small>

Anyone recall if the tensioner nut had a lock washer? Mine did not. Did anyone use loctite on the nut? I wonder why they give a range for the torque on the nut?

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'''JSM:''' <small>(2017-11-26 00:02:17)</small>

Well tension set. I ended up taking a pic before I took tensioner off. It ended back in the same spot.

Quick video of first start. Seems quiet to me.

[https://youtu.be/JCdEEaaAkWM https://youtu.be/JCdEEaaAkWM]

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'''JSM:''' <small>(2017-11-27 00:19:12)</small>

No. Used the old pic and feel method.

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'''BLOZ UP:''' <small>(2017-12-06 21:01:49)</small>

Hello z31p

{{Quote|user=JSM|Anyone recall if the tensioner nut had a lock washer? Mine did not. Did anyone use loctite on the nut? I wonder why they give a range for the torque on the nut?}}

It has 2 washers, IIRC. Normal compression one, and a flat one under that.

I ended up using the deflection and twisting methods though it seems like such an unscientific method (compared to say, torque when twisting the tensioner itself), but I've never broken a belt or had any issues.

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'''albionwanderer86:''' <small>(2017-12-07 21:56:59)</small>

I just found this video on Youtube put out by Gates. I'm not entirely sure what VG30 or VG33 he is performing this timing belt replacement on, but he does a very good job of explaining components and what he is doing when replacing the timing belt and tensioner. Hope this helps someone.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd5y9teII9E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd5y9teII9E]

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'''Dunkine:''' <small>(2017-12-09 15:18:47)</small>

Oil filter spins on block, so vg30 most likely. 33's are remote mounted (not sure if all are though).

Great video. That's a trick little tension tool, I can't seem to find anyone selling Gates' kit. They have one listed on Gates' site, but I don't see a product # to look it up by.

[http://www.gates.com/products/automotive/tools-and-sales-aids/professional-tools/timing-belt-tension-tester http://www.gates.com/products/automo…tension-tester]

[http://www.gatesunitta.com/timing-belt-tension-tester http://www.gatesunitta.com/timing-belt-tension-tester]

Has anyone used this universal one?

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'''BLOZ UP:''' <small>(2019-05-17 01:58:21)</small>

{{Quote|user=albionwanderer86|I just found this video on Youtube put out by Gates. I'm not entirely sure what VG30 or VG33 he is performing this timing belt replacement on, but he does a very good job of explaining components and what he is doing when replacing the timing belt and tensioner. Hope this helps someone.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd5y9teII9E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd5y9teII9E]}}

That's a VG30 with the square tooth gears. Good video. Cool tool. Except he seems to have the rockers (and his cam lock) engaged when he first tensions it and IIRC the FSM says to loosen all of them to relieve cam pressure against the belt.